When Diamonds derive 80% of their income from the tools business

They do everything in their power to make sure you are buying the tools.
Quixtar helps them by preventing you from advertising on the web, preventing you from showing product in trade shows, and discourages newspaper and other forms of mass advertising. I had a great deal of difficulty getting ads in newspapers; the newspapers had gotten many complaints from people about MLM false advertising and were very wary.
If you can’t advertise except by buying their advertising tools, then who owns the business really?

We’re talking extreme pressure and well-established brain washing techniques. Also, upline will not help people who aren’t on the tools system.

have borne out our assertions–more than 99% of people lose money in Amway/Quixtar.

You may want to look at www.pyramidschemealert.org. They have an interesting analysis that demonstrates that one is will lose more money in MLM than in gambling.

Why do you put so many words in quotes? It gives your message an “I’m better than you” undertone that I “hope” was not your “intention.”

Hi..My name is Jay

I am just curious on why people may have assumed that they “had” to go about the particular “system” of some MLM’s. Everyone has their own “perception”. Things work for some and not others.

When you involve yourself in a marketing don’t you become your own boss? So really, people didn’t “have to” purchase tapes, books and go to “meetings” and “seminars”. They chose too. or were poorly “directed” and mis-guided. You wouldn’t have gotten “kicked out” for not participation would you?

And a good mlm doesn’t “make you” buy products if you don’t want to. It’s just called loyality to a corporation that has “possibily” given you an opportunity (only if you work)!

I guess my question is in regards to people of Quixtar that don’t fully understand the “keep it simple” structure and would like to hear some feedback. It’s a shame that the sponsors have “mis-perceived” this company in saying that you “have to” do it this way or you won’t be successful.

Thanks for
your time and great club 🙂

I went back and looked at the bottom of the item

It still had some stickers on it. I found one with a number on it. I’ll use that in my online search for a better price.

In the mean time, I went and bought out all the store had yesterday, 82 in all. Yikes! Did I actually do that?! I ended up getting 15% off the total order so that was good. It is actually a candle holder but works perfectly as a coaster holder.

Thank you so much. That means a lot coming from you! I am still somewhat technically insufficient but am learning a lot. I still have a ways to go but will get there in due time. My goal is to spend time every day on the website till I get it where I want it, then kind of go in to maintenance mode. If you have any words of advice on websites–and have some time–I’d love to hear them.

BTW, you are doing great on getting your business going

If you have the name of the company, or a tag from the product you found in town you can call your public library and ask for “information please” or at least that is how we ask for it at our library system. They will put you in to the reference department. Using the info you have they have a way of looking up the exact manufacturer and their contact information for you for free. This was one of my jobs when I worked for Advertising Novelties. Customers would bring us a product sample and ask us how much we could provide it for in group lots.

Question about entity

Does anyone know if Primerica is an MLM? Anything good or bad about it? I am mostly a lurker, but am involved with one MLM (Shaklee) and have family members who are involved in others (Market America, Melaleuca).

That statement was made in jest

However, sadly, if one wants to make any kind of real money in Amway, you got to get yourself in the tools business. Everybody who has been in Amway or dealt with Amway knows that there is no money to be made, unless you tap into the tools business. The statement sounds a lot like something like mob speak. Amway operates very much like the mob, only they wrap up their dealings in the American flag and God and Country bit. You would not believe what those people do, and how deep their pockets are. They are truly evil. But don’t take my word for it. Read the book “Merchants Of Deception.” Do a google search. I was lucky. I was lazy enough not to work the business seriously.

If I was a wiseguy, I probably would of taken my diamond upline out back and had a little chat. But I don’t operate that way. There are so many good honest people that got caught up in the Amway scam, it hurts. I see the damage that has been done, I have seen lives destroyed. I will never touch any kind of MLM ever again.

I will always speak out against Amway. I will discourage people from joining. I will always warn everyone I know not to join Amway. And if they have a problem with that, so what. They come to my door, they will have hell to pay.

Hope that helps.

I know a lot of people make some money on Google’s advertising models

The trick is you have to have a website that gets traffic so you have people who click through on the ads. If you’ve got the site already, then I’d suggest adding some ads from Google. It won’t make you rich, but it might provide some income. Remember, a lot of bloggers who are big make their money on ads on their site.


If we all agree that MLM’s won’t make us any money, what do you think about click through? Like Google Adsense and the like? This seems a cheaper and less dangerous way of making money?
I post to a blog giving information to writers looking for work, so I post click through banners on the site to try and make a bit of money on the side.
Now I’m not looking for a fortune as in an MLM, but I’m seriously thinking of placing an order for traffic submission to generate a little interest.
What experiences has any body had with this type of marketing?
Does it work?