Give up on the band wagon of saying bad things to pre programmed people about their MLM

It won’t work. Just ask questions and be supportive in other ways. I have moved to a really nice small town in CT. One of the clubs here is full of MLMer’s. They give me referrals for my spa, but they ask for them in return. Some of them won’t accept anything I give them in return except referrals so I give up trying to give back.

I just stood up for myself and I said “I will support your local charity blog, but I will not support any MLM or network marketing group period.” So after that, I was afraid that I wouldn’t get any more from this one charity group, but I was wrong!:) The charity is winning over and I did hear from these women again. So they still have some of their brains left:)

This is just one example and I have many more! I just wanted to tell you something positive to look forward to. I just tell these ladies that I think their charity does good work and they turn all into mush and that I support their charity. They just want to feel appreciated and be given a sense of purpose in life. That is what I think is going on in my town. Maybe this will give you ideas for helping out your close ones.

I have a very good friend in Market America

and since we live in a pretty small town, I also know about five others who have joined (so far). Almost everyone who has joined are people who can least afford to lose money, including my friend. For over a year I’ve tried, gently and by asking questions, and sometimes not very gently, to point out that this may not be the greatest thing since sliced bread. It’s led to nothing except hurt feelings, so after the last time I’ve given up. However, since hope springs eternal, is there anything you can tell me about Market America being “one of the worst” that I can pass along to her should she begin to question for herself?

I appreciate your help – I appreciate all of you – this is a wonderful blog, and someday I hope my friend belongs to it!

Question about entity

Does anyone know if Primerica is an MLM? Anything good or bad about it? I am mostly a lurker, but am involved with one MLM (Shaklee) and have family members who are involved in others (Market America, Melaleuca).

My car insurance came due for its 6-month renewal

I *had* been paying monthly installments since the last renewal becaus I didn’t have enough to pay the full 6 months at once. It will be a stretch, but it will save me $92 over the course of this renewal. Every little bit helps.
Mailed my mortgage payment Friday. It’s due on the 1st, but I have a 15-day grace period. By the end of the month, I should be able to send it earlier.
Non-financial tasks: I’ve been trying to de-clutter my basement to make space for my music studio. I’ve given away/trashed a lot, but I still have a LONG way to go. Ugh. No, I haven’t done any more work in my backyard for the garden. It has been raining on the days when I actually had time to work on it. Mother Nature is working against me…

Hi, I’ve been trying to get the truth out of this MLM project for a couple of weeks now

And there are some holes appearing in the claims. I found this MLM through an add in the Daily Mail(UK) and went to the site: He is an agent for a company called Passport2Wealth, so I began asking some questions.
The most important was about paying.
I said could the money be transferred through a Paypal account.
Now the first thing he emailed me was that he did not use paypal. But guess what?
When you follow his YouTube broadcasts, he displays a page showing how much money was paid into his Paypal Account from! So how can this be?
Clearly he cloned the page and displayed it as his own.
Now only is this very illegal it reminds me of an old say: if you want to be a good liar, you have to have a good memory.

I spent about 10 years dabbling

Euphemism for bankrupting myself, literally, as I am reaching retirement aga, – in mlm always thinking the concept was good, just a matter of finding the “right” one. Amway, NuSkin/PhotoMax, Noni, AmeriPlan, are survivors of about 6 others, now out of business, that I tried.

My conclusions on my way to bankruptcy court:

You can only lose money in mlm.
Everyone is lying to you.
The more dedicated you are, the more it will cost you.
Bait and switch is a major modus operandi of mlm promoters.
One can only become a promoter by being willing to be a liar for the liars.
Many mlm company products are fine, but are too expensive and/or cursed with unprovable claims.
Lead sellers, seminar leaders, book writers on how to succeed in mlm, make their big money suckering people into buying their products, not via mlm downlines.
Lead systems maintained and promoted by some teams (often as “the only way you can succeed) is the secret cash cow for the leaders. Conflict of interest?
Products and services in the real marketplace survive by being cheaper, better, and readily available. mlm products and services universally fail on all 3 counts.
Any scheme that requires “religious” type of belief, trust and commitment is to be avoided like the devil. Save it for church.

How could I be so stupid? I wanted to retire without money worries.

There’s more, but you get the picture.

Avoid MLM. Life is too short to waste even one day wading through the lies, enduring the fraud, trying to do what cannot be honestly done.

That statement was made in jest

However, sadly, if one wants to make any kind of real money in Amway, you got to get yourself in the tools business. Everybody who has been in Amway or dealt with Amway knows that there is no money to be made, unless you tap into the tools business. The statement sounds a lot like something like mob speak. Amway operates very much like the mob, only they wrap up their dealings in the American flag and God and Country bit. You would not believe what those people do, and how deep their pockets are. They are truly evil. But don’t take my word for it. Read the book “Merchants Of Deception.” Do a google search. I was lucky. I was lazy enough not to work the business seriously.

If I was a wiseguy, I probably would of taken my diamond upline out back and had a little chat. But I don’t operate that way. There are so many good honest people that got caught up in the Amway scam, it hurts. I see the damage that has been done, I have seen lives destroyed. I will never touch any kind of MLM ever again.

I will always speak out against Amway. I will discourage people from joining. I will always warn everyone I know not to join Amway. And if they have a problem with that, so what. They come to my door, they will have hell to pay.

Hope that helps.

Thanks for your story..

each experience brings new light on the subject. Can I ask you to elaborate on:

“There is no way one can succeed unless you take your diamond upline back behind the building and ask for a cut in the tools business, or else.”

I think I know what you’re saying, but I want to be clear, as it seems this was the realization that changed your mind.

Long story short:

I was an MLM junkie. Let’s see, first there was Amway which lasted about two years or so. Then there was Excel which lasted about a year or so. Then there was my pitiful attempt at Equinox. Equinox sucked anyway so no loss there. Then the last company I was with was called New Image International. New Image was a lot of fun, they were actually truthful about network marketing and taught a lot different than the previous MLM’s I was involved with.
I did not make any money, but I did learn a lot, especially with New Image.
I don’t support MLM companies. There is no way one can succeed unless you take your diamond upline back behind the building and ask for a cut in the tools business, or else.
I look at my time in those MLM’s as a LEARNING EXPERIENCE. I may not have made any money, but I did learn a lot about myself. I did eventually become very self confident, my self esteem is sky high. I maintain a positive mental attitude, however I apply myself not to an MLM but to working my job the best I can with the goal of eventually owing my own business here in my hometown.
So there you have it. If you want for me to elaborate further in my MLM experiences, just email me.
I have a question for this blog members. Have any of you heard of Dale Calzert? If so what is your opinion on him?
Take care, have fun and chat with ya’ll soon.

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There actually is a Photos area of the club

I haven’t looked at the permissions there in a while. Several years ago, we experienced a rash of people coming in and flooding the Files, Links and Photos sections with spam and other junk. It took Ruth, the founder of this group, and me a while to clean it all up, and the result was that we shut down most of the permissions to those areas. I’m not sure what she did with the Photos area, specifically, whether the entire area is restricted or just certain folders.

Anyway, many of the people who participate in this forum are interested in remaining anonymous. Even in online groups where avatars are used, most people don’t use their real names or pictures but borrow from celebrities or cartoon characters or other kinds of graphics.

Either way, if pictures were posted here, they would not be avatars and would not be associated with the posts, so unless you went searching for photos of people in the Photos area of the club, you wouldn’t see them, anyway.

I think that’s why there have been no requests for such a thing here.

I like the Net 10

I found that buying online is the best way to go. I paid $20.00 for a motorolla phone and it came with 300 minutes of airtime. So, its like I got the phone free. I bought this phone for my daughter. I signed up on a thing with them online also, that they automatically add 150 minutes every month to that phone for $15.00. All unused minutes rollover. Text only charges 1/2 a minute off your airtime. Net 10 is alot better deal than Tracphone.


If we all agree that MLM’s won’t make us any money, what do you think about click through? Like Google Adsense and the like? This seems a cheaper and less dangerous way of making money?
I post to a blog giving information to writers looking for work, so I post click through banners on the site to try and make a bit of money on the side.
Now I’m not looking for a fortune as in an MLM, but I’m seriously thinking of placing an order for traffic submission to generate a little interest.
What experiences has any body had with this type of marketing?
Does it work?